Curse

xukaiwen · Nov 10, 2008, 04:43 PM // 16:43

My friend suggested a similar solution to me. Once you beat EotN on any character in hard mode, your asuran/norn/whatever points are shared with all your other characters that have beaten EotN in hard mode. That way, you are required to at least be good enough to beat EotN on that classto get the benefit of the points. That proves you just as good as anyone else who earned r10 (because that's what they did to get r10, most likely) and leaves off the grind of having to do the hard mode missions over... and over... and over. At least, you can do the missions over and over and over on different classes, reducing the boredom of the grind. Plus, this will help guarantee the person that has the r10 title on THAT class actually has beat the hm missions with THAT class.

So, for all you "skill" snobs, that gives the best determination of pve skill that I know of.

For those that are worried that this will take away from folks who earned r10 on two different characters old school, I don't really see what you are complaining about. Just make sure that all your friends know you did it the hard way. Then the grind is reduced. You then, get to go around, with your friends as witnesses, shouting, "I'm better than you! I did it the hard way! AND YOU CAN NEVER DO IT LIKE ME!!!!" Making it impossible for other people to be as "elite" as you only makes you more "elite." Of course, this doesn't work if you don't have friends to witness for you. But in that case...

Of course, you are right, The Meth, this is all moot because of the imminent update. But I still want to rant.

Shadowspawn X · Nov 10, 2008, 06:54 PM // 18:54

/signed for reputation grind

/not signed for SS/LB

Rep grind is a far more difficultly level than SS/LB. SS/LB is a mild annoyance after 3 toons but rep grind is a complete brick wall.

The Meth · Nov 10, 2008, 08:44 PM // 20:44

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Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X

/signed for reputation grind

/not signed for SS/LB

Rep grind is a far more difficultly level than SS/LB. SS/LB is a mild annoyance after 3 toons but rep grind is a complete brick wall.

What are you smoking? SS/LB is FAR worse. The reputation titles you will have maxed or near maxed by the time you finish a full vanquishing of all areas + books from Hard Mode. SS you might barely get halfway doing the same in nightfall, while you would be lucky to get 1/4th of LB done.

Athrun Feya · Nov 11, 2008, 01:50 PM // 13:50

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Originally Posted by The Meth

What are you smoking? SS/LB is FAR worse. The reputation titles you will have maxed or near maxed by the time you finish a full vanquishing of all areas + books from Hard Mode. SS you might barely get halfway doing the same in nightfall, while you would be lucky to get 1/4th of LB done.

Max LB amounts to about 4 and a half HM DoA runs though and, to be fair, the LB title isn't amazingly useful in the rest of the game. I think the issue with the EotN titles is that there is 4 of them that you basically need to do the same thing for - I'm not sure what part of doing that HM primary quest on the same character for the 5th time is fun.

In general, pve titles don't show skill so much, mostly just time dedicated to the game which may (but doesn't always) corrolate with knowledge of the game.

/notsigned because they already changed the skills to favour those with lower titles (although i'm slightly sour about having to do EotN for the 4th or so time to get the 1 or 2 skills I might want, but I'll save that for another day).

Hyper.nl · Nov 11, 2008, 03:24 PM // 15:24

Hm, I rather would say: Make all grind based titles (Killing monsters) account based rather than only the effects. (As suggested before)

Spike Stritter · Nov 11, 2008, 03:41 PM // 15:41

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Originally Posted by Athrun Feya

/notsigned because they already changed the skills to favour those with lower titles (although i'm slightly sour about having to do EotN for the 4th or so time to get the 1 or 2 skills I might want, but I'll save that for another day).

Thats not what my main point is.
If it was for that reason alone i would have /notsigned it myself most likely, but its because of the groups that require you to have r10 in w/e pve title there asking for.
I have gotten r10 everything on my warrior ive been through all the grinding. why should i have to do it all over again on another profession?

Floski · Nov 11, 2008, 07:45 PM // 19:45

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In some builds where rank can make or break it, I can foresee a lot of idiots trying to pass for something higher than they are.

This makes no sense. He's not asking for someone to be given something they haven't earned. If one of your existing characters has a certain level of rank, then all your character should. His suggestions is simply to make the titles account based, but only allowed to be displayed on the character you achieved it on.

Basically, it's a slightly watered down "MAKE TITLES ACCOUNT BASED".

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Lol. It's always people who go out on a limb to prove something wrong. YES people pay for services to get them ahead in all sorts of facets. Most don't.

Plenty of people get book runs. Book runs aren't even hard, they just take forever. And yes, the HFFF is totally easy/fast, Norn farming the one quest is super fast/easy, snowman farming. Point is, it's just time, not skill. Whatever you do, don't equate grind out titles with skill.

Athrun Feya · Nov 11, 2008, 11:30 PM // 23:30

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Originally Posted by Spike Stritter

Thats not what my main point is.
If it was for that reason alone i would have /notsigned it myself most likely, but its because of the groups that require you to have r10 in w/e pve title there asking for.
I have gotten r10 everything on my warrior ive been through all the grinding. why should i have to do it all over again on another profession?

My point was that theres now not much difference between r10 and lower ranks, therefore theres no "need" to grind r10 on all your characters. Anything close is fine. I've not seen as much rank discrimination in PvE recently...

Charlotte the Harlot · Nov 11, 2008, 11:41 PM // 23:41

/signed but I think just making the titles and their benefits account wide would be better.

illidan009 · Nov 12, 2008, 02:27 AM // 02:27

I am a firm believer in the following Chinese proverb, "One acre plowed, one batch of rice gained." Sounds weird, but the people that actually grind HARD for those titles on every char. deserves more of a bonus...I by no means am an elitist or hardcore player, but those who choose to grind deserves more of a bonus than let's say me, who has only r5 Ebon...

TL

R /notsigned

The Meth · Nov 12, 2008, 07:52 PM // 19:52

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Originally Posted by illidan009

I am a firm believer in the following Chinese proverb, "One acre plowed, one batch of rice gained." Sounds weird, but the people that actually grind HARD for those titles on every char. deserves more of a bonus...I by no means am an elitist or hardcore player, but those who choose to grind deserves more of a bonus than let's say me, who has only r5 Ebon...

TL

R /notsigned

By your logic there should be weapons that cost 1 million gold and do 50% more damage then normal weapons. Because those who grind hard for money deserve more of a bonus then those who don't. Agree or disagree?

Tenebrae · Nov 14, 2008, 12:14 AM // 00:14

/Not signed
Now those titles have almost the same effect on R7 than R10 , thats 2 fking books NM and 3 or 4 dungeons dammit . If u are so fking desperate for 3 sec more of Pain Inverter or the other shit , grind the title for god sake . Its so damn easy ; NM hero books till 90k ( yes , the last one when u have 78k ) and 3 full HM hero book + 1 Vanq zone .

Horus Nightlight · Nov 14, 2008, 05:37 AM // 05:37

I agree with Tenebrae. And in fact, there really isn't too much of a grind either to get R8 in all the 4 EoTN tribal title tracks if you actually play the game and complete it all (dungeons and missions) in both normal mode once and hard mode once.

Additionally, I wonder if the real reason for the suggestion to have title effects account based did not actually stem from grinders wanting certain specific skills for their grinding builds on new characters?